So it does not seem that calling everything everyone says bullshit is useful. It is relative. At the very least -- it seems to me -- some bullshit is at a *higher level*.

LOL.

Without getting into whether bullshit or baloney per se, ........would you not agree Bill, higher level bullshit, is still bullshit?

And when someone speaks with real vulnerability, that is quite different from someone "holding forth". Words spoken with

vulnerability are never bullshit  in my book.

Is this a view you share?

If by vulnerability,..........you are suggesting that since certainty is an oxymoron, .........that any utterances, whether through speech or through standing on one leg, ........being a happening within a phenomenal context, ........can only be a conceptual conjecture, .......

....and hence the apperceived will never claim "What I say is THE way and MY way or no way".,.....

......then I am with you, Bill.

However in the notional sense, there is one more stage, beyond vulnerability.

Certainty.

Which is the total absence of the need to appear certain or uncertain.

As in another List to you Bill.........the need to qualify in order not to be seen as certain or to be seen vulnerable.....the same game is going on, isn't it?.............the game in which an "other" still yanks your chain.

The nightingale in India is known as the koel (pronounced ko-yell).

It's only the male koel which sings, .........the female koel focussed on more practical aspects of living, is not interested in such silliness.

The koel sings not because he has some Truth to convey.

He sings, because he has a song to sing.

And becoming the singing.... there is no audience for him.

And the Universe pauses to listen.