25th May 2003
something recently from the "beedi dude" that puzzled me and I
wonder if you (or others) would care to comment. Reincarnation is a
concept believed in by many in this world but not one that I would
have associated with teachers of Advaita. This quote from Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj threw a different light on the concept however......
"The memory of the past unfulfilled desires traps energy, which
manifests itself as a person. When its charge gets exhausted, the
person dies. Unfulfilled desires are carried over into the birth.
Self identification with body creates ever fresh desires and there is
no end to them unless this mechanism of bondage is clearly seen. It
is clarity that is liberating, for you cannot abandon desire unless
its causes and effects are clearly seen. I do not say that the same
person is reborn. It dies, and dies for good. But its memories
remain and their desires and fears. They supply the energy for
a new person."
Many responses, to
Two cents from this
side, tossed into that coin collection.:-)
desire, memory .......are essentially thoughts.
Thought, is seen by
neuro-science and quantum physicists (those who are working on the convergence)
as a "collapse" of a particular wavicle (wave-particle), representing
a particular possibility, from that Quantum Field of ALL wavicles, from that
Infinite Field of ALL possible possibilities.
A collapse, would
essentially be the objectivization of a subjective potentiality, isn't it?
With the cessation of
the apparatus, the "death" of the biological computer, the animating
consciousness, in the identified form, reverts back to Impersonality, along with
all the "collapses", reverting back to the "pool".
Reverting back also
is a corruption, for that connotes something getting added back to the Source,
from which it arose.
Hence not really
reverting, but subjectivity losing the gestalt of objectivity.
i.e. when you pick up
a "wave" from the Ocean, in your palm, you do not have the
You have the Ocean.
Thus the Quantum
Field, once again collapses in different manifested apparatuses, according to
the conditioning of the particular object.
And the circus
Essentially the Beedi
dude, was negating the popular bromide of a personal self, incurring karma, etc
and being subject to the endless cycle of life and birth to sort out the
over a million lifetimes (as per that bromide) will need another million
life-times to balance them out and in the process of balancing, you incur more
karmic debts, .......................round and round the mulberry bush........
the odds are better for Northern and Southern Ireland getting together than this
process ever getting completed.
You see, dudes have
to talk in the language of the particular audience in front of him/her.
An age old conviction
of a personal self, ........doing the rounds, ........needed an appropriate
Outside that moment,
outside that audience in that moment, .......that particular concept has no
meaning, no relevance.
Same for any concept
prattled by any dude, to any body, at anytime, anywhere, ever.
When asked once by
one of his Western students puzzling over Buddist teachings of egolessness,
"Well then, if there is no self, what is it that reincarnates?"
The Master and
answered without hesitation.
"Neurosis," he replied
The Universe is just
one of the infinite thoughts of God or Bozo the Clown.
The night- sleep-
dream is based on the gestalt of cause and effect,exactly as the day-waking-
There is not even an
iota of difference, between the two dreams.
Just as one's dream
in sleep exists nowhere but in the mind (both as cause and effect) so does the
Universe, as a cause-effect continuum, exist only in the mind of the Infinite
Bozo the Clown.
absurdity, that you think you have an independent existential reality to seek
this or that.
absurdity, that you think you have an independent existential reality, to cease
seeking, if seeking is what runs you.
What absurdity, the premise,....... that Bozo the Clown, ever thinks.